How Old Is Frisk ?

I’ve seen some people bring up the idea that the Golden Flowers in Undertale symbolize Grief. It seemed like an interesting idea to me, so I wanted to take a chance to examine in more depth myself. Grief is certainly a major theme in Undertale, and the Golden Flowers are directly tied to the Undertale of Asriel and Chara, and they also share another parallel with the concept of Grief:

It sticks to you.

Golden Flower seeds stick to whatever comes in contact with them, and considering the patch of flowers in the Trash Zone, they’re resilient enough to spread almost everywhere if you let them. This can be linked to the pervasive nature of Grief. 

So through that lense, what can the Golden Flowers tell us about the characters related to them?

Golden Flowers appear the most around Asgore. They cover his garden-slash-throne-room almost completely, they’re found almost everywhere in his house, he even makes them into tea. And Asgore is indeed a character consumed by his grief. For his dead children, and for the life he once had with Toriel, and the hope that the Underground once had, and for all the children he has killed. No one is more defined by their grief in Undertale than Asgore.

Compared to that, Toriel has…. less Golden Flowers in her life. The patch of Golden Flowers in the Ruins, Chara’s garve, is significant, but it’s not nearly as large as the field of flowers covering Asgore’s Throne Room. 

And she has less Golden Flowers in her home as well. Asgore has seven different Golden Flower plants in his house, Toriel has one - plus a drawing in the kids room.

And I guess Toriel IS handling her Grief… better than Asgore does? She is still struggling with it, obviously. She still has plenty of Golden Flowers… Just, you know, she’s doing better than Asgore. I think part of it might be that she feels like she’s channeling her grief into something productive and noble. The Golden Flowers over Chara’s grave soften the fall of every Human who stumbles into the Ruins - Toriel is trying to use her Grief to protect these humans.

And she is at least trying to move ahead, compared to how much Asgore dwells on the past. She doesn’t seem to regret leaving him and while Asriel and Chara’s old room in New Home is preserved exactly the same as it was in their life (including wrappped presents forever waiting for them) - Toriel seems to have made an effort to refurbished Asriel’s room in Home into a more general room for her new human wards (the photo frame and closet are empty - rather than having the old family photo\Asriel’s old clothes in them). But still, it’s very hard to ignore the fact that she still has her share of Golden Flowers in life.

Then there’s Undyne, who drinks Asgore’s Golden Flower Tea. Her connection to Golden Flowers is a lot more vague, a lot less direct. And I think it’s because she’s not really a grief-focused character herself. I made another post about it, but Undyne is more motivated by the misery and unhappiness that she sees in the Underground in the present. She’s less angry about the horrible war long ago or the death of the royal siblings as much as she’s just angry at all the monsters who are sad and miserable now. But the only solution she has for this misery is following Asgore’s war plan, the plan created from the depths of Asgore’s grief-stricken mind. She pertake in Asgore’s grief indirectly, without even fully realizing it.

And there’s also Monster Kid’s story about Asgore coming to school and donating his flowers (probably meant to be Golden Flowers) for project. Monster Kid can’t recognize a Human on sight, they were probably born long after Asriel and Chara’s death, but King Asgore’s grief still effects them - and the entire community - even if they don’t fully realize it. 

(And I wonder if Frisk choosing Golden Flower Tea in the Undyne Date symbolizes them empthazing with the Monsters’ communal grief)

Then there’s the third patch of Golden Flowers, in the Trash Zone:

In my previous Golden Flowers centric post I reasoned that they came from Alphys. She messed around with Golden Flowers in her lab, she complained about how sticky the seeds are, she hangs out in the Trash Zone, she spread it there.

And I think with her it’s less about the Grief about Asriel and Chara. About sharing Asgore’s Grief. With her she kinda… created her own ‘branch’ of Golden Flowers that she spreads herself because this Grief is her own and her own alone. I think the patch of Golden Flowers in the Trash Zone symbolize Alphys’ grief over what happened to the Amalgamates. Grief over the monsters lost life and her lost plans and her lost potential. 

After all, it was because of those experiments that she came in contact with the Golden Flowers, and because of those experiments that she spent so much time in the Garbage Dump to spread them.

That’s another way the Golden Flowers can be linked to Grief, I think. Every patch of Golden Flowers in the game is found over someone’s grave, in a way. The Patch of Golden Flowers in the Ruins is actually Chara’s Grave. The entire Throne Room is Asriel’s grave, and…. if Alphys had taken (or did take, in some timelines) that jump over the abyss, the Trash Zone Golden Flowers would the only grave she has.

But there is one character linked to Golden Flowers that I haven’t covered yet, someone with a very, very, very major connection to them….

Like…… if I said that Asgore is dealing with his Grief badly and spreading to everyone else and letting it consume it and literally consuming it in the form of tea….. well, than Flowey\Asriel IS a Golden Flower, he literally became his own Grief.

Grief for the person he was back when he could still feel love, and grief for Chara. This is most pronounced in the Pacifist Run, where Flowey assumes his old form of Asriel and basically straight-up admits that all that he does is motivated by his overwhelming grief for Chara. Every time he snatched the Happy Ending from a Neutral or Pacifist Player is just about how he didn’t want them to stop playing the game because he is basically the physical incarnation of Not Moving On.

Overcorrecting

Actual canon:

Furthermore:

I get wanting to distance yourself from old inaccurate fanon but recently it feels like the fandom is just being contrarian and overcorrecting so much they create a new fanon, just in the opposite direction

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Paptober #5: “PUZZLING..”

Okay only doing one for today, but don’t worry! By my calculations, I am still on track lol. For this prompt, I decided to make a Papyrus themed Junior Jumble! A puzzling art form… Feel free to solve it and post your answers in the reblogs!

Junior Jumble is surprisingly hard to make, even this simple one took a while xd. I have huge respect for those who make puzzles like these! They certainly take a lot of creativity and spelling know-how to do.

Ramble:

I wonder if the reason why junior jumble is harder for papyrus than cross words is because they don’t really give you direction.

They just hand you letters to figure out a way to make it spell something, which can have multiple answers. That you can only check is right when you put it in the final word box. (Though they’re always are some exceptions, but generally based on the ones I seen.)

But crosswords, on the other hand, have little directions that act like the puzzle itself. For example: “this word is used to describe a certain blue cladded skeleton” and it’s 4 boxes long.

To me jumble feels more abstract, and crosswords less so. Maybe that’s why crossword is easier for Papyrus.

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Papyrus is most likely a young adult and this is supported by evidence in the game itself

Because I’m still stewing over people claiming that Papyrus is canonically 14 years old I’m putting together a list of things that imply Papyrus has to be AT LEAST 18, if not older.

He does not wear a striped shirt like kids do in Undertale

He’s literally driving a car at the end of the True Pacifist route

The Royal Guard would have to be seriously fucked up to even consider allowing a young teenager into its ranks

Going along with the last one, if Papyrus were only 14, why would Undyne beat around the bush pretending that cooking is training when she could just tell him he’s too young for the guard right now?

Papyrus’s UnderNet username is “CoolSkeleton95.” Numbers in usernames usually refer to birth years a good chunk of the time. If we assume that the main story of Undertale takes place in 2115, Papyrus would have been born in 2095, which makes him AT LEAST 20 years old.

Correct me if I’m wrong about this, but I believe it’s implied or stated that Papyrus keeps house? If he IS only 14, I’d have to seriously side-eye Sans for making his kid brother do all the housework.

If there’s anything else I’ve missed feel free to add it on.

I’m just tired of neurotypicals insisting that autistic adults are Actually in fact children. It’s not new, it’s infantilizing, and it’s ableist. Enough already.

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yes we are aware of canon underfell in this house we love canon underfell but this is just my take on it, no intention to fix or improve or anything!

Why Papyrus should be a FireFighter

He has a heroic spirit, and is a genuinely brave person, who wouldn’t think twice about risking his life to save others.

He has a very soothing presence, and I feel like he would be able to bring a person who had experienced something upsetting or traumatising, down to earth and keep them grounded

He would be so great at rescuing cats that are stuck in trees, he’s like 8 foot tall, HES THE SIZE OF THE TREE

I feel like he would get burnt out if he became a chef, and he should keep cooking as a hobby instead of choosing it as his career

Although being a firefighter is physically and mentally challenging , I think Papyrus would rise to the challenge and succeed with flying colours because he trained under UNDYE! With her even saying, that’s he’s incredibly strong !

And mentally, he’s determined and resilient !!

Also I think he would be so good at driving the fire truck !!! HIS WHOLE VIBE IS RED, IT JUST FITS!!!

As well as that, when firefighters arrive on a scene, they need to assess the situation and come up with a solution QUICKLY and I feel like that lines up with Papyrus’ puzzle making and solving skills, AMAZINGLY !!

I also think being a firefighter aligns with his goal of being a royal guard. It’s seen as a noble service to your community, (which it is) and I do think he would enjoy kids looking up to him, and if he was told by a child that they want to be just like him when they grow up, that is something he would take great pride in

So yea , stop infantilising Papyrus AND MAKE HIM A FIREFIGHTER

(Also plz think about him having a Dalmatian puppy he raises himself to be a part of the firefighter team and the shenanigans that would ensue!)

Day 66 - Naps and pranks

Day 67 - COME BACK WITH THAT!! What the heck

Day 68 - HEY YOU! YES YOU UTDR FAN ARTIST! HOW DO YOU DRAW PAPYRUS? All of the submissions were great!! I loved them all :]

Day 69 (still funny) - Dropping frisk off at school!

Day 70 - Video game dream team

Day 71 - Shopping with Mettaton! Hes in there somewhere I swear

Day 72 - Winter gun fights

Day 73 - Poor air fryer…